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Post by Nnic on Nov 10, 2009 13:18:06 GMT
"I'm having terrible trouble getting the story into a script that isn't just Carry on Keith". Because of course a film titled "See Me, Feel Me: Keith Moon Naked For Your Pleasure" is really going to attract deep and meaningful scripts. Why not? I think the title is deep and fun at the same time. I'm not saying it's the right title, though.
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Post by Yellow Printer on Nov 10, 2009 16:59:38 GMT
How about calling it "Turkey"? Like, you know "Tommy". Another epic piece of cinema !
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 17, 2009 18:00:07 GMT
The words "See Me Feel Me" and "Keith Moon" "naked" and "pleasure" should never be used in the same sentence...
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Post by tadiqi on Nov 17, 2009 19:27:18 GMT
"I'm having terrible trouble getting the story into a script that isn't just Carry on Keith". Because of course a film titled "See Me, Feel Me: Keith Moon Naked For Your Pleasure" is really going to attract deep and meaningful scripts. Why not? I think the title is deep and fun at the same time. I'm not saying it's the right title, though. i agree. it is a cool title.
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Post by kempo on Nov 17, 2009 20:24:35 GMT
The whole concept is a road crash waiting to happen. Keith's family would have final say, not Roger.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 17, 2009 20:56:35 GMT
The whole concept is a road crash waiting to happen. Keith's family would have final say, not Roger. Road crash, that's a good way to put it. It's pathetic Roger has been so inept as to not even get it off the ground in nigh on a dozen years...time for this to die a death and begone...
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Post by Yellow Printer on Nov 18, 2009 20:19:54 GMT
Yeah p**s off Roger. We dont want your stupid film!
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Post by boristhearachnid on Nov 19, 2009 9:32:06 GMT
Yeah p**s off Roger. We dont want your stupid film! I'd agree with the second half of that!
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Post by kempo on Nov 20, 2009 17:37:16 GMT
Roger's problem is that he's still feeling guilt over the lack of care given to Keith in the period Keith disappeared to live in Malibu. The feeling is that the Who family "could" have done more to help him with his lifestyle , but they just left him to his own devices. Roger now feels it's his mission to keep Keith's memory in the here-and-now and the film is the best way to do that. It's entirely possible that Roger knows for a FACT that there will never be a Moon film, but it makes cracking copy every time it's mentioned.
Let's face it, after the DIRE bio-pics of Michael jackson and Karen Carpenter and the brilliant one on Tina Turner's life, SOMEONE should have been able to come up with at least a passable TV movie of Keith's life, shouldn't they?
I don't suppose it's Roger's fault, but the pattern is that whenever Roger is not doing anything with The Who or his own acting / music career, he suddenly rattles out umpteen interviews based on the hunt for a passable screenplay. Maybe Trinifold have him trotting that out to keep the press featuring tid-bits of members of The Who........?
Either way, it's a bore and won't happen.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 20, 2009 18:16:26 GMT
^I've found it curious all these years that Roger has been so into this, and I was ALWAYS under the impression, from everything I'd read and heard over the last 20 years (books, interviews, etc) that Keith disliked Roger and vice versa...they were certainly the least close of anyone in the band, yet Roger has been so gung-ho about this project...is it guilt? I don't get it...
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Post by kempo on Nov 20, 2009 19:05:23 GMT
Keith didn't *dislike* Roger - he just didn't understand that Roger didn't want to do the wild man thing that he did. Likewise, Roger didn't understand why Keith wanted to be out of it almost all the time. If fate had gone the other way, whose to say that Keith wouldn;t have been pushing for a film of Roger's life?
Roger's just sad that Keith's dead and is powerless to do anything about it other than promote him.
However, if you'd seen him at the unveiling of Keith's plaque on Wardour Street, you'd have see a Roger that would rather have been ANYWHERE else on earth - he was embarassing.
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Post by Yellow Printer on Nov 21, 2009 11:13:15 GMT
Roger and Keith = Chalk and Cheese. The only thing they had in common was chasing birds and a similar working class background of which Keith spent his life trying to escape.
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Post by kempo on Nov 21, 2009 11:18:10 GMT
Roger, though was a rung higher onthe ladder having been a Grammar School standard scholar. Also, as an older guy, Roger would also have had a dominance over Keith.
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Post by boristhearachnid on Nov 21, 2009 21:46:56 GMT
I always think it's funny how some people are of the opinion that bands live together like the Monkees and look out for each other. Four guys doing a job (and very well),go home after they are done and do what it is they like to do.
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Post by stush on Nov 21, 2009 22:29:16 GMT
Roger, though was a rung higher onthe ladder having been a Grammar School standard scholar. Also, as an older guy, Roger would also have had a dominance over Keith. I think Keith new the main sound was 3 incomparable instrumentalists, and thought Roger did not write lyrics, or play an instrument, and was less relevant. I doubt he felt any dominance. Or maybe that is just what I think.
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Post by kempo on Nov 22, 2009 11:06:23 GMT
Your last sentence is correct. Roger contributed to the sound with his voice and, arguably, was the most marketable member of the band from '69 onwards.
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Post by Nnic on Nov 24, 2009 10:32:28 GMT
"There's a man going through your dust bin Only this time he's looking for food There's a tear in his eye, you don't know him Oh but you know what he's going through
Ain't it funny that you can't seem to help him Feelin' sick as he staggers away"
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Post by kempo on Nov 24, 2009 11:24:42 GMT
Lost me there Nnic - you'll need to explain the relevance of Pete's "down-and-out" lyric to a discussion that has veered on to Roger's continued support for a film about Keith and whether he's doing out of self-aggrandisement.....
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Post by Nnic on Nov 24, 2009 12:16:10 GMT
It was a reply to Roger and Pete feeling they didn't do enough to help their old friend. I recalled someone mentioning it in this thread but i couldn't find it. Also, the "there's a man going through your dust bin"-part brings me to the story of when Helen Mirren met Keith in west end. She heard a weird guy lurking around in the garbage outside of her dressing room, and it turned out to be Keith when he came knocking on her door, asking if he could join her on stage. I always think of Keith when I hear Roger singing that part.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 24, 2009 13:47:11 GMT
I always think it's funny how some people are of the opinion that bands live together like the Monkees and look out for each other. Four guys doing a job (and very well),go home after they are done and do what it is they like to do. Exactly. The Who may be one of those bands who's members liked each other LEAST! I mean, The Beatles all grew up together and even they got sick of each other by the end, but only Pete and John had been friends as kids (Roger bullied Pete, remember?) and they drifted apart throughout the course of the band...
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Post by tadiqi on Nov 25, 2009 9:23:16 GMT
It was a reply to Roger and Pete feeling they didn't do enough to help their old friend. they made that decision to replace him. as i'v been reading, they weren't making that decision in favor of Moon, i mean, say, 'if you don't go to the hospital, yu're out', and to give a job to some drummer just during the time that Moon is in a hospital (and they are to pay hospitalization costs). No, they made a decision to replace him finaly and forever, weren't they? i'd to believe that is true that Roger, as one good man as well, is to take the blame on oneself.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 25, 2009 13:26:56 GMT
^I know what you're talking about, but I've always doubted they really would have done it...
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Post by moonlegend on Nov 25, 2009 16:17:45 GMT
Rog and pete (and to some extent john) all know they could of done more in terms of helping keith. People can always do more. But don’t forget pete and john had problems of their own towards the end of the 70s and early 80s, and like other people have said on here….they were not all best mates anyway. Rog feels like hes more to blame cos he was the one who was relatively ok mentally and phyically in the late 70s and the most capable at the time of helping keith.
BUT as has been said before, him and keith didn’t see eye to eye at the best of times. AND 85% of time Keith didn’t want to be helped. What pete and rog find the most difficult to deal with now is remembering those late night phone calls Keith made to them on more than one occation sobbing down the phone about how much he loved them, how sorry he was that he was such a mess, how basically wanted to be helped.
Im not quite sure why he feels so compelled to do a film about keith…maybe he feels he owes it to keith. Maybe he needs the money ( I doubt it), or likes the idea of the attention he'll get if the film is made, maybe he genuinely wants to show keiths life on the big screen as a sort of monument to his life. Whatever his reasons are he needs to come to terms with what happened to keith…..cos I don’t think hes put closure to that part of his life.
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Post by garethox on Nov 25, 2009 17:26:46 GMT
Rog and pete (and to some extent john) all know they could of done more in terms of helping keith. People can always do more. But don’t forget pete and john had problems of their own towards the end of the 70s and early 80s, and like other people have said on here….they were not all best mates anyway. Rog feels like hes more to blame cos he was the one who was relatively ok mentally and phyically in the late 70s and the most capable at the time of helping keith. BUT as has been said before, him and keith didn’t see eye to eye at the best of times. AND 85% of time Keith didn’t want to be helped. What pete and rog find the most difficult to deal with now is remembering those late night phone calls Keith made to them on more than one occation sobbing down the phone about how much he loved them, how sorry he was that he was such a mess, how basically wanted to be helped. Im not quite sure why he feels so compelled to do a film about keith…maybe he feels he owes it to keith. Maybe he needs the money ( I doubt it), or likes the idea of the attention he'll get if the film is made, maybe he genuinely wants to show keiths life on the big screen as a sort of monument to his life. Whatever his reasons are he needs to come to terms with what happened to keith…..cos I don’t think hes put closure to that part of his life. I agree. Pete has said on camera that he doesn't feel guilty, going as far as to almost laugh at Roger's apparent guilt - but then he always gives a sly smile when Roger emotes... secretly I think he feels he could do the same as Roger. There is no doubting Roger's depth of feeling on the Keith issue, just view him breaking down when he talks about it on 'Amazing Journey', he definitely feels he could have done more. In Pete's defence, he did provide Keith with somewhere to live.... but man alive they were all so f-=ked up at that time it is crazy for Roger to feel such deep pain. Hindsight is not always a wonderful thing, no one would have known Keith was going to die, it was a tragic accident - perhaps waiting to happen - but tragic nonetheless. John and Pete were both alcoholics and Roger was just thoroughly fed up and they all threatened to boot Keith out during the recording of 'Who Are You' and he must have felt rejected and terribly hurt but The Who by that time were big, big business. Keith was lost and had nowhere to turn but Roger can't turn back time.... I think Roger Daltrey is a very caring and sensitive human being despite his 'rough' persona. He feels things very deeply and if anyone can make a decent film about Keith and not have him look like a performing monkey, he is the man. If it shows the real, lost, manic, amazing person Keith was yet also serves as a closure for Roger then that is fitting and right.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 25, 2009 18:14:56 GMT
^those two posts were amazing, totally agree 100%...well said...
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Post by Jangling Jack on Feb 16, 2010 12:05:36 GMT
Didn't Roger say they were a lot closer once Keith moved back from California? Something about Keith asking him to make sure the band toured soon, so he could get himself back into shape (although he always seemed to behave the worst on tour).
There's no question that they were definitely at odds in the early Mod years, but then they all were. I actually got the impression that during the Who Are You period, Roger was the closest member of the band to him.
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Post by garethox on Feb 16, 2010 14:37:02 GMT
I think this guy would be perfect as Moonie. James Buckley. He played the young Delboy in 'Rock n Chips' and also plays Jay in the Inbetweeners. He is a deadringer for Moonie in his Beachcomber days..... www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0061y33
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Post by Ineedanewname on Feb 16, 2010 15:08:46 GMT
I think this guy would be perfect as Moonie. James Buckley. He played the young Delboy in 'Rock n Chips' and also plays Jay in the Inbetweeners. He is a deadringer for Moonie in his Beachcomber days..... www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0061y33When a couple of years ago they initially announced the idea that would become 'Rock n Chips', the intention was to show Del as a young Mod. Now that may have given a very good idea of how Buckley would have come across as Moon! Sadly though they changed their minds and shifted the era of the story backwards by a handful of years...
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Post by vegasvampire on Feb 16, 2010 17:00:25 GMT
I think this guy would be perfect as Moonie. James Buckley. He played the young Delboy in 'Rock n Chips' and also plays Jay in the Inbetweeners. He is a deadringer for Moonie in his Beachcomber days..... www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0061y33wow he really does look like Keith!!!!! he's the one i'd go with...... ;D
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Post by moonlegend on Feb 19, 2010 11:08:05 GMT
im a massive fan of James Buckley...Inbetweeners is legendary (for me its right up there with Alan Partridge). He was also very good in Rock n Chips. I think he could play a very young Moon but not a 1977 moon
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