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Post by ronmanager on Sept 21, 2010 12:36:40 GMT
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Post by WhoFanatic on Sept 24, 2010 18:14:50 GMT
whoireland, re: >>i worry if this is the attitude of fans - to download rather than buy - what hope is there to get other stuff released.... If the mastering job is sub-standard (or even a straight re-issue of the Deluxe version we all already have) and some jiggery-pokery has gone on in order to create bass tracks where before there were none on the Hull material, then this release deserves nothing more than to be bootlegged and made available on torrent sites. A release like *that* will be nothing more than an insult to the band that *WAS* The Who in 1970 and Universal / Trinifold deserve all they get Agreed...between the vinyl, original CD reissue, 1995 remaster, LAL Complete Bootleg, and Deluxe Edition reissue, I've bought this f***ng album enough times over the years. And to add insult to injury, the best version is none of those...it's the remaster that Luke Pacholski put together back in the late 1990s on the old Odds and Sods email list (it is *still* IMO the definitive version...he fixed all of the drop-outs and mastering problems). So I have a 100% clear conscience grabbing the Hull show without paying for it. The Who have gotten PLENTY of my money over the years, especially re: Leeds
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Post by boristhearachnid on Sept 24, 2010 19:32:47 GMT
I have decided that I'm only listening to the original 6 since earlier in this post and I ain't for changing - it's the original release,the one I grew to knew and I don't need some flash tart with make up trying to take me away from it!!!
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Post by Hammersmith on Sept 24, 2010 20:36:12 GMT
whoireland, re: >>i worry if this is the attitude of fans - to download rather than buy - what hope is there to get other stuff released.... If the mastering job is sub-standard (or even a straight re-issue of the Deluxe version we all already have) and some jiggery-pokery has gone on in order to create bass tracks where before there were none on the Hull material, then this release deserves nothing more than to be bootlegged and made available on torrent sites. A release like *that* will be nothing more than an insult to the band that *WAS* The Who in 1970 and Universal / Trinifold deserve all they get Agreed...between the vinyl, original CD reissue, 1995 remaster, LAL Complete Bootleg, and Deluxe Edition reissue, I've bought this f***ng album enough times over the years. And to add insult to injury, the best version is none of those...it's the remaster that Luke Pacholski put together back in the late 1990s on the old Odds and Sods email list (it is *still* IMO the definitive version...he fixed all of the drop-outs and mastering problems). So I have a 100% clear conscience grabbing the Hull show without paying for it. The Who have gotten PLENTY of my money over the years, especially re: Leeds LOL! Me too, Whofanatic - I've bought everything you mentioned, but Luke P.'s version (a cdr set that I have) is by far the best version to have! It will be cdrs for Hull too (unless they eventually make it a seperate release, then I'll buy it too).
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Post by dazedcat on Sept 24, 2010 20:49:39 GMT
I have decided that I'm only listening to the original 6 since earlier in this post and I ain't for changing - it's the original release,the one I grew to knew and I don't need some flash tart with make up trying to take me away from it!!! Good for you. Imagine that, the original six song Leeds that millions of people bought and loved for decades being enough for someone today. Yeah, imagine that.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Sept 24, 2010 21:19:31 GMT
Agreed...between the vinyl, original CD reissue, 1995 remaster, LAL Complete Bootleg, and Deluxe Edition reissue, I've bought this f***ng album enough times over the years. And to add insult to injury, the best version is none of those...it's the remaster that Luke Pacholski put together back in the late 1990s on the old Odds and Sods email list (it is *still* IMO the definitive version...he fixed all of the drop-outs and mastering problems). So I have a 100% clear conscience grabbing the Hull show without paying for it. The Who have gotten PLENTY of my money over the years, especially re: Leeds LOL! Me too, Whofanatic - I've bought everything you mentioned, but Luke P.'s version (a cdr set that I have) is by far the best version to have! It will be cdrs for Hull too (unless they eventually make it a seperate release, then I'll buy it too). Yeah, Luke had sent them to me back in the day (I want to say in '98 or '99) and it's still my definitive go-to when I want to listen to Leeds. Agreed, also, that I'm going to look to get Hull on CDR, but if they do a stand-alone release (and they'd be stupid not to), I'll buy it in an instant
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Post by peteisgod on Sept 29, 2010 11:44:16 GMT
Of course we know that at least some of the bass track was recorded as is evident from the Hull tracks released on VFABP.I wonder if the bass track's signal failed later in the show?(if at all)I couldn't see them releasing it without Johns bass though.I'd love to hear it. And if this Hull tapes wasn't really from the Hull show ? For exemple : some tracks on VFABP are mislabelled. How believe "Magic Bus" is really a soundboard recording from 1970 ? Sounds like 1972 Tour. Some bootleggers says he comes from a 1972 Scandinavian show.
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Post by kempo on Sept 29, 2010 13:57:36 GMT
WhoFanatic, re:
>>Agreed, also, that I'm going to look to get Hull on CDR, but if they do a stand-alone release (and they'd be stupid not to), I'll buy it in an instant
And the RIDICULOUS thing about all of this is that Trinifold *know* that, but they figure that they can get more $ (Rosenburg's real driver) out of bundling Hull up with Leeds.
After all, what has Hull got to do with Live At Leeds anyhow? It's a different city, a different show, a different date........ Why not have a DVD of ALL of the Leeds b&w footage as a bonus included to ensure that ALL of the material in the set is from Leeds and charge the extra for a proper re-masteriong job on the complete Leeds show with the running order restored to what it was on the night across the two discs.
Hull COULD come out as a set on its own or, if there was any modicum of vision anywhere within Trinifold, shove out an official bootleg box featuring a live show from each year (1968 - 1977) in the best quality they can get it. We'd forgive the incorrectly mic'd drums on Filmore East 1968 etc......... We would.......!
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Post by WhoFanatic on Sept 29, 2010 17:43:34 GMT
^Kempo, right on...but it'll never happen. Obviously they associate Hull with Leeds since Hull was the target show for the live album that ended up being from Leeds (as we've all known for years). As I said, they've bollocked things for so long that unless the Hull show is released on its own (at which point I'd buy it to support The Who) I have no qualms trying to get the Hull recording by "other means"
And I love your idea of a live box set, but The Who seem to think less of their legacy than us hardcore fans, so while it'd be a dream come true and we would forgive them, as you say, I think we have a better chance of seeing the Keith Moon movie than this!!
(BTW, in such a box, I'd want to see Fillmore '68 both nights, a LEGAL and PROPER Woodstock release, Hull '70, San Fran/Oval/Rainbow '71, Paris '72, something from '73 (other than Philly and Largo, if possible), COMPLETE Charlton SBD '74, something NEW from '75, and the complete Charlton or Swansea SBDs from '76, then a proper CD release of Kilburn '77 and the complete Shepperton show from '78 (which DOES exist...I've talked with the fellow who got the board tape directly from Pete)
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Post by Hammersmith on Sept 29, 2010 21:04:01 GMT
LOL! Whofanatic! '73 would HAVE TO BE the Stoke sdbd. recording!
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Post by WhoFanatic on Sept 30, 2010 13:56:37 GMT
LOL! Whofanatic! '73 would HAVE TO BE the Stoke sdbd. recording! Of course (and it *does* exist) but given how little they think of Quad live in '73, I wouldn't be surprised if it was either of the '73 shows from Wolfgang's or even the awful Voorburg '73 show (pre-Quad)...I would never underestimate The Who at botching a project like this, were it EVER to happen (which I highly doubt, sadly)... Croydon '69 (SBD which also exists) would be awesome as well...
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Post by Hammersmith on Sept 30, 2010 15:53:47 GMT
Just the thought of Croydon '69 and Stoke '73 existing as sdbd. recordings has me "Shakin' All Over"!
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Post by whoareyou on Sept 30, 2010 16:07:16 GMT
Sounds like the Hull show is complete
• For the first time ever - two CDs containing the Who's complete performance from Hull, which was recorded the following evening, but ultimately left in the vaults as Leeds was thought to have yielded better results. It was a close call as can be heard, the Hull show was equally incendiary.
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Post by Hammersmith on Sept 30, 2010 17:12:28 GMT
Sounds like the Hull show is complete • For the first time ever - two CDs containing the Who's complete performance from Hull, which was recorded the following evening, but ultimately left in the vaults as Leeds was thought to have yielded better results. It was a close call as can be heard, the Hull show was equally incendiary.I saw someone post at one of The Who forums that "Magic Bus" is missing from this Hull release, which would be a shame since Townshend was reported to have played the opening bit on acoustic guitar (for the last time with The Who until '89!).
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Post by Tom on Sept 30, 2010 17:32:07 GMT
It is also mentioned on the Japanese HMV site that "Magic Bus" is missing.
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Post by whoareyou on Sept 30, 2010 22:10:34 GMT
Poor translation but your right
In rock history, the works include one of the most important live album, 40 years after its release, a CD commemorating release! Hull held the following day live in a 2CD recording to add as original songs [Leeds], 7 inch single, "Summertime Blues" reprinted book Hadokava 64 pages, containing a hard case with the other posters Editions de super class! ● 2CD this story was conducted at the University of Leeds on February 14, 1970 "Tommy" performances, including songs recorded performance. (Previously released deluxe edition with same content), the next 15 days ●, 2CD performance was recorded in Hull. (1 song from the series ("Magic Bus"), less content) ● LP Original Release 6 songs as the weight of the LP 64 pages packed with valuable ●, ● Hadokava of "Summertime Blues / Heaven And Hell - "● ● Pete Townshend Poster 7 inch single was recorded live at Leeds] [Case Hadokava black stamp with the motif of the first specification (information from manufacturer)
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Post by WhoFanatic on Oct 1, 2010 15:59:27 GMT
Just the thought of Croydon '69 and Stoke '73 existing as sdbd. recordings has me "Shakin' All Over"! They certainly do exist! I only wish the fellow didn't back out sending them to me after we agreed to a secret trade...Shepperton '78 was included in there as well. (This fellow is very well-known in Who fan circles, but is not, to the best of my knowledge, on this board)
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Post by xaws on Oct 3, 2010 5:36:08 GMT
Why did the guy back out of the trade did he give a reason, no postage stamps lol
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Post by WhoFanatic on Oct 4, 2010 12:31:23 GMT
Well basically it was a screw up on his part that I found out in the first place (I had traded with him in the past but he accidentally cc'd my email address on this message to Pridden and some other people who I don't recall). When I replied I'd caught him red-handed so he agreed to trade in secret, and then after I sent him my tapes, I waited for weeks...and then he sent mine back, with no message, never replied to my emails again, etc
So I never found out why, but I haven't blown the whistle on him...yet (and this all happened back around 1998 or so)
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Post by xaws on Oct 4, 2010 19:59:50 GMT
Thats fair enough, i dont think blowing the whistle on him would bring any of this stuff forward, at least we now know these things exist. must hve been funny tho when you said OI mate you cc ceeded me in that email, i bet he hung his head in shame and thought oh f*** lol, you could try contacting him again, you never know
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Post by WhoFanatic on Oct 5, 2010 12:54:33 GMT
^yeah he was less than pleased with himself when he wrote back, LOL
I've thought about contacting him again...maybe I will...what do you guys think, worth it? Or leave it alone?
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Post by xaws on Oct 5, 2010 13:32:52 GMT
Go for it he can only say yes or no
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Post by WhoFanatic on Oct 5, 2010 13:57:06 GMT
^yeah I think I'm gearing up to do so very soon...
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Post by whoareyou on Oct 6, 2010 9:06:45 GMT
The original tapes for the Hull show were missing bassist John Entwistle's contribution due to a recording mix-up, but for this edition the parts have been added from the Leeds show.[/b] www.nme.com/news/the-who/53293
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Post by ronmanager on Oct 6, 2010 9:33:33 GMT
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Post by Ineedanewname on Oct 6, 2010 11:10:00 GMT
The original tapes for the Hull show were missing bassist John Entwistle's contribution due to a recording mix-up, but for this edition the parts have been added from the Leeds show. [/b] www.nme.com/news/the-who/53293[/quote]Hmmmmm. It's going to be "interesting" to see how that works out.
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Post by Yellow Printer on Oct 6, 2010 16:22:42 GMT
good idea to put the Leeds bass to the Hull show. His basslines were rarely out of time or tune. its either this or nothing.So jolly good! I hope that the Oval tapes might get patched up for a 40th Whos Next in 2011!
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Post by whoareyou on Oct 6, 2010 17:13:45 GMT
The original tapes for the Hull show were missing bassist John Entwistle's contribution due to a recording mix-up, but for this edition the parts have been added from the Leeds show. [/b] www.nme.com/news/the-who/53293[/quote]Hmmmmm. It's going to be "interesting" to see how that works out.[/quote] This for me has already runnied the release. Obviously the only other choice was no bass!, but cant help but feel this kind of tampering spoils the original recording. GNR did it with their Live era release and Iron Maiden with their live album. And makes for a better sound. But still the thought of it!
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Post by WhoFanatic on Oct 6, 2010 19:36:02 GMT
^agreed, I'm not as keen now...just how much bass was swapped in?
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Post by lpzep on Oct 6, 2010 20:46:13 GMT
On I'm A Boy from Hull, the bass part is definitely not the same than Leeds'. So one thing is sure, there's some bass on the Hull tapes. Now how much...
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