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Post by Hammersmith on Oct 15, 2010 19:29:20 GMT
After I just recently read in the Record Collector magazine article on Live At Leeds that the band went in the studio shortly after the recording was made and doubled the ENTIRE backing vocals in the studio (which is even on the LAL Complete bootleg), has really lessened my enthusiasm for the Leeds recording. I am really hoping that AFTER the first 4 tracks (with the flown in bass), that the Hull recording will be basically "untampered with" and may end up being more pleasing to me than Leeds. I hate live recordings that have been tampered with in the studio I don't know why they said that in the magazine but I'm convinced most backing vocals on the Leeds multitrack tapes are the original ones. Only a few parts are noticeably different from the audience recording (I Can't Explain, My Generation...), the rest doesn't sound perfect enough to be a studio overdub in my opinion. John Atkins said it was a known fact, even back in '70, that all of the backing vocals were doubled. It was Chris Charlesworth who said it in "Record Collector". I've heard a report today that the new Leeds release may be without the noise reduction, etc. that was used on the Deluxe Edition. Apparantly Jon Astley is well aware of the criticism from the fans concerning the Deluxe Edition. I hope this turns out to be true!
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Post by modo on Oct 16, 2010 14:44:48 GMT
I don't know why they said that in the magazine but I'm convinced most backing vocals on the Leeds multitrack tapes are the original ones. Only a few parts are noticeably different from the audience recording (I Can't Explain, My Generation...), the rest doesn't sound perfect enough to be a studio overdub in my opinion. John Atkins said it was a known fact, even back in '70, that all of the backing vocals were doubled. It was Chris Charlesworth who said it in "Record Collector". I've heard a report today that the new Leeds release may be without the noise reduction, etc. that was used on the Deluxe Edition. Apparantly Jon Astley is well aware of the criticism from the fans concerning the Deluxe Edition. I hope this turns out to be true! I can't work out why John Astley done that to the deluxe edition?The 1995 release sounds just perfect.Why mess with that when there is not a thing wrong with it?The Tommy section sounds terrible in comparison.Here's hoping they put out the whole of leeds and the hull show sounding just like the expanded 1995 release without all that unnecessary addition of noise reduction.
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Post by ronmanager on Oct 22, 2010 11:08:30 GMT
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Post by bertie1 on Nov 7, 2010 19:35:41 GMT
Anyone know the reason behind leaving 'magic Bus' off the Hull set?
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Post by lpzep on Nov 7, 2010 21:26:57 GMT
Anyone know the reason behind leaving 'magic Bus' off the Hull set? There is no "official" reason as far as I know, but if Pete started the song on acoustic guitar it isn't surprising : recording an acoustic guitar was certainly not planned by Bobby Pridden. Another possible explanation is that the recorder ran out of tape during this particular song. It's quite amazing that they managed to capture every single second of music from the Leeds show on tape, maybe there was two tape machines running ?
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Post by Hammersmith on Nov 7, 2010 21:38:08 GMT
Anyone know the reason behind leaving 'magic Bus' off the Hull set? Actually, there's no definitive proof that they actually DID play "Magic Bus". We are all going by what the "Concert File" book says, which is not always correct. There is no audience tape in circulation that I know of to prove it one way or another. They're just going by a fan's account, who's memory may be fuzzy. The same thing happened with the Newcastle '73 show when PT went berserk and trashed the tapes - it was reported that The Who came back on stage and played a medley of oldies, but now a fan has reported that that account was wrong - he says they came back and played a long version of "Sea And Sand" and then left the stage for the evening (after trashing their gear, of course! LOL!).
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Post by whoareyou on Nov 10, 2010 7:47:20 GMT
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Post by kempo on Nov 12, 2010 17:45:54 GMT
Interesting article in this month's Classic Rock magazine regarding the re-issue where Roger flatly denies EVER having overdubbed any of his Leeds vocals but does admit to the backing vocals having been tinkered with.
Absolutely no idea how he would, therefore, explain away the fundamental differences in pitch and tone of the overdubbed vocals on the Deluxe re-issue's Tommy disc.
The more you read / hear of Roger these days, the more you wish people would just NOT seek him out for an opinion and just use Pete.
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Post by ec on Nov 12, 2010 18:03:45 GMT
Still a fail for me. Anyone else get these working?
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Post by whoareyou on Nov 12, 2010 19:16:10 GMT
Still a fail for me. Anyone else get these working? Have them working fine using IE. Firefox seems to struggle for some reason
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Post by whoareyou on Nov 12, 2010 19:17:48 GMT
Interesting article in this month's Classic Rock magazine regarding the re-issue where Roger flatly denies EVER having overdubbed any of his Leeds vocals but does admit to the backing vocals having been tinkered with. Absolutely no idea how he would, therefore, explain away the fundamental differences in pitch and tone of the overdubbed vocals on the Deluxe re-issue's Tommy disc. The more you read / hear of Roger these days, the more you wish people would just NOT seek him out for an opinion and just use Pete. Its a very good article. I agree that, the more you hear Rog speak the more he contradicts himself. It used to be Pete who caused confusion....
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Post by Yellow Printer on Nov 12, 2010 19:27:38 GMT
Roger needs the money Pete doesnt so Roger is bound to big it all up. Neither of them are interested or can remember the details of their careers. Fair enough. My career details dont interest me either I just want the cash!
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Post by lpzep on Nov 13, 2010 11:04:46 GMT
Still a fail for me. Anyone else get these working? Have them working fine using IE. Firefox seems to struggle for some reason You can play the Hull tracks ? The only playable tracks on my computer are the "Remixed Live At Leeds Versions" and the"Original Live At Leeds Version" of Summertime Blues.
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Post by modo on Nov 13, 2010 13:31:07 GMT
Have them working fine using IE. Firefox seems to struggle for some reason You can play the Hull tracks ? The only playable tracks on my computer are the "Remixed Live At Leeds Versions" and the"Original Live At Leeds Version" of Summertime Blues. Same here?
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Post by Nnic on Nov 13, 2010 14:25:20 GMT
I can't play any track using IE, Firefox or Google Chrome...
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Post by whoareyou on Nov 13, 2010 15:30:00 GMT
Yep, theyve taken the Hull tracks off now. Shame. Was sounding good
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Post by jaywho on Nov 15, 2010 11:20:09 GMT
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Who needs to do what The Doors and the Jimi Hendrix estate has done, and issue previously unreleased recordings through a record label dedicated to the "hardcore" fans. The Doors issue their recordings "as is', even with 5+ minutes of various audience noises and tune ups. On some of the recordings they have released, there is even an abrupt jarring start to the recordings. In other words, you're hearing the recorder start up, with a split second speed "glitch", as apposed to a brand new fade in created in a studio.
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Post by brianinatlanta on Nov 15, 2010 11:48:49 GMT
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Post by kempo on Nov 15, 2010 16:48:53 GMT
jaywho, re:
>On some of the recordings they have released, there is even an abrupt jarring start to the recordings. In other words, you're hearing the recorder start up, with a split second speed "glitch", as apposed to a brand new fade in created in a studio.
Is this the Matrix recordings you're refering to? If so, I have to say that, although they're a welcome addition to the catalogue, sonically, they are little better than an average bootleg and certainly not worthy of a full retail price tag.
I'd be disappointed if The Who went down this road and charged full price for below average quality sounding material.
Polishing a turd doesn't make it any less a turd.
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Post by lpzep on Nov 15, 2010 17:04:00 GMT
OK, now I can hear previews of the Hull tracks ! And...I can't believe it... The vocals overdubs on I Can't Explain are there too !!!!!!! Looks like they didn't just overdub John's bass from the Leeds tape...unless Hull too was overdubbed in 1970 ? Unlikely I think.
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Post by munmun on Nov 15, 2010 17:55:39 GMT
This simply isnt worth the money against what other artists are releasing. For example the Springsteen darkness on the edge of twon package this year includes the original remastered, an ENTIRE album worth of unreleased material from the sessions and a documentary on the making of the album. The new Live at Leeds package does not hold up a candle to this.
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 15, 2010 20:56:09 GMT
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Who needs to do what The Doors and the Jimi Hendrix estate has done, and issue previously unreleased recordings through a record label dedicated to the "hardcore" fans. The Doors issue their recordings "as is', even with 5+ minutes of various audience noises and tune ups. On some of the recordings they have released, there is even an abrupt jarring start to the recordings. In other words, you're hearing the recorder start up, with a split second speed "glitch", as apposed to a brand new fade in created in a studio. You are absolutely right, they do need to. The problem is they've damaged their brand so much over the years that I'd bet sales would be abysmal when compared to the Doors and Hendrix fanbases...
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Post by whoareyou on Nov 15, 2010 21:45:22 GMT
Amazon.co.uk now claims the Hull bass is only missing from the first four songs and fully complete on the rest
Except it should have been very different. The original intention was to release the recording from the Hull City Hall performance the following night after Leeds as the live album. The recording from Leeds, the first gig of the tour, was largely set up as a back-up in case there were any problems with the Hull recording. Suffice to say, upon listening to the tapes it was thought that John Entwistle’s bass was missing from the Hull recording. With little they could do to repair the tapes in those days, the band went with the Leeds recording for release instead, despite preferring the Hull performance. Now years later the Hull tapes were revisited and it was discovered that because the first reel consisting of four tracks had no bass,everyone had assumed that the whole show had no bass and didn’t listen to any more of it,but in fact the rest of the gig was complete. Through the wonders of modern technology, however, the full Hull recording has been repaired by flying in Entwistle’s bass tracks from the Leeds recording to repair the Hull tapes and is now available in it’s entirety for the first time ever.
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Post by kempo on Nov 15, 2010 21:51:06 GMT
I *rushed* to HMV this morning to get the Springsteen "Darkness" box - it's absolutely incredible - for that amount of rare and unreleased material I'd say it was worth absolutely every penny and more.
Hull - I'll find it as a torent download somewhere unless I read more than three reviews of it that persuade me to pay for the downloads from Amazon.
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Post by ronmanager on Nov 15, 2010 22:34:15 GMT
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Post by jaywho on Nov 16, 2010 2:58:04 GMT
jaywho, re: >On some of the recordings they have released, there is even an abrupt jarring start to the recordings. In other words, you're hearing the recorder start up, with a split second speed "glitch", as apposed to a brand new fade in created in a studio. Is this the Matrix recordings you're referring to? If so, I have to say that, although they're a welcome addition to the catalogue, sonically, they are little better than an average bootleg and certainly not worthy of a full retail price tag. I'd be disappointed if The Who went down this road and charged full price for below average quality sounding material. Polishing a turd doesn't make it any less a turd. Other than the Matrix recordings, everything else The Doors have released on their label sounds incredible. Actually, I had the 6 cd box set of their Felt Forum 1970 shows in mind, in reference to "glitches" in the recording. It's just for maybe two seconds, as the tape player is first turned on.
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Post by ronmanager on Nov 16, 2010 14:14:09 GMT
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Post by WhoFanatic on Nov 16, 2010 18:19:19 GMT
I *rushed* to HMV this morning to get the Springsteen "Darkness" box - it's absolutely incredible - for that amount of rare and unreleased material I'd say it was worth absolutely every penny and more. Hull - I'll find it as a torent download somewhere unless I read more than three reviews of it that persuade me to pay for the downloads from Amazon. Dude, we must be twins or something...my thoughts exactly (regarding Hull).
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Post by munmun on Nov 17, 2010 2:42:39 GMT
Just ordered the Springsteen reissue. I have no intention of buying LAL. However I hope that the two old guys dont get the wrong message. It is not because any undiscovered music from them would be ignored. It is because releasing the same stuff in different shades has limited potential. It seems to me that they have milked the catalogue for every drop and now would be a great time to hang up the spurs if there is no new or unreleased music.
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Post by modo on Nov 17, 2010 14:15:16 GMT
OK, now I can hear previews of the Hull tracks ! And...I can't believe it... The vocals overdubs on I Can't Explain are there too !!!!!!! Looks like they didn't just overdub John's bass from the Leeds tape...unless Hull too was overdubbed in 1970 ? Unlikely I think. That's the first thing I noticed too.The backing vocals sound identical to Leeds so I think they've added them along with John's bass.I also thought they might have done the Hull overdubs in 1970 but I don't think they would have went to the bother of overdubbing harmonies on any of the 4 tracks where the bass failed to record.
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